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Post by renji on Jul 27, 2007 1:01:29 GMT -5
im in a thread-starting mood!
i used the phrase "extra terrestrial" since theyre more controversial than aliens. aliens cross our borders all the time, so we know they exist.
this isnt a poll about if theres other intelligent life in the universe, just if any of it has visited our planet.
so yes, thoughts?
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Post by Namazzi on Jul 27, 2007 4:30:12 GMT -5
I think so. =P Though probably about 99% of 'sightings' are probably false. XD
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Post by renji on Jul 27, 2007 4:49:40 GMT -5
ive never actually met a person who had claimed to see a UFO >_> ive only seen them on tv. i think if i was to actually talk to someone who claimed to have seen one then that would be cool. mostly, i dont think we have been visited XP lol. i actually am one to believe we are alone in the universe...
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Post by ruukah on Jul 27, 2007 10:23:18 GMT -5
I voted yes, but I have some, uh...uncommon beliefs, lol...about extra terrestrials...
In the Bible, in the story of Noah and the flood, one of the reasons God sent the flood was to purify the human race because angels - actually demonic angels - had descended on the earth and impregnated human women, creating evil demon hybrids (called Nephilim) in an attempt to stop God from doing what he said he would do - bring a redeemer (Christ) from the bloodline of Eve. So God sends the flood and spares the only family whose bloodline is pure and who doesn't hate him. Later when Christ was telling his disciples about the end times, he said "as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be" ...when he returns. So yeah I believe extra terrestrials have visited earth, and I believe they are demons. I also believe they will come again, or perhaps already have.. After all, in most cases of "alien abduction" the ETs have reportedly poked around the humans' reproductive systems.
That's my take on it anyway. =P
From Genesis, Chapter 6:
"When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose... The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown... Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence. God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. So God said to Noah, "I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. So make yourself an ark of cypress wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out.. Noah did everything just as God commanded him."
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Post by Flexico on Jul 27, 2007 13:24:49 GMT -5
You are precisely right, Ruukah. ^_^ In Revelation it says that in the time of Christ's presence, Satan and his demons (the angels who abandoned God to follow him) are cast down to the vicinity of the Earth. They are no longer able to materialize human bodies and interfere directly with human affairs, but the influence is definitely there. 2 Timothy 3:1-5 (*1) describes the times of the end, which is basically a nutshell of what we see on the news. Before 1914, people said the future was filled with hope and could only get better... but in 1914 Christ was enthroned and Satan was cast out of heaven. (Revelation 12:7-9)*2 The year 1914 can be derived from Biblical accounts; copied from All Scripture Is Inspired, a book published by Jehovah's Witnesses. *3 --------------- *1 - "But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away." *2 - "And war broke out in heaven: Mi′cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him." *3 - Now, since the Common Era did not begin with the year zero but began with 1 C.E., and the calendar for the years before the Common Era did not count back from a zero year but began with 1 B.C.E., the figure used for the year in any date is in reality an ordinal number. That is, 1990 C.E. really represents 1989 full years since the beginning of the Common Era, and the date July 1, 1990, represents 1,989 years plus a half year since the beginning of the Common Era. The same principle applies to B.C.E. dates. So to figure how many years elapsed between October 1, 607 B.C.E., and October 1, 1914 C.E., add 606 years (plus the last three months of the previous year) to 1,913 (plus the first nine months of the next year), and the result is 2,519 (plus 12 months), or 2,520 years. Or if you want to figure what date would be 2,520 years after October 1, 607 B.C.E., remember that 607 is an ordinal number—it really represents 606 full years—and since we are counting, not from December 31, 607 B.C.E., but from October 1, 607 B.C.E., we must add to 606 the three months at the end of 607 B.C.E. Now subtract 606 1/4 from 2,520 years. The remainder is 1,913 3/4. That means that 2,520 years from October 1, 607 B.C.E., takes us 1,913 3/4 years into the Common Era—1,913 full years brings us to the beginning of 1914 C.E., and three fourths of a year in addition brings us to October 1, 1914 C.E. There was more to this, but I've spent about a half hour searching for the exact article, and I have to get ready for work now...
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Post by renji on Jul 27, 2007 14:13:14 GMT -5
weird theres religion in an ET thread. i never would have thought there was a connection... Ruukah, i had never thought of it that way before XP but people who have been abducted... what if theyre not telling the truth and no abductions have happened at all? none of them have been able to show any evidence it actually happened so they could just be saying theyve been abducted to get attention. but hey, maybe one could change my mind if it was someone i knew being abducted. oh well... Flexy, i am not making much sense of your post for some reason... whats the deal with the year 1914? year Satan gets kicked out? i didnt think that was really possible to figure out. the *3 part of your thing also kinda confuses me. year zero? there is no year zero in the BC-AD timeline thing. it went 1 BC straight to 1 AD. in numerology, Al Gore's name is 666 and hes causing a lot of chaos with his global warming stuff so maybe he is Satan LOL. more seriously, every generation seems to think theyre seeing the "end times" sooooooo dont be gettin your hopes up.
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Post by ruukah on Jul 27, 2007 18:24:10 GMT -5
That's absolutely possible. Hmm Flexico, I never heard of that 1914 thing before. Maybe because I'm not a Jehova's Witness. I dunno. Sounds interesting though.
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Post by renji on Jul 30, 2007 18:52:45 GMT -5
just posting to request a response from Flexico on my comments about that 1914 thing. ya, it still makes no sense whatsoever...
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Post by Flexico on Jul 30, 2007 21:47:02 GMT -5
Oh ya sorry, forgot about this. ^^;
Yes, there have been a lot of people saying that. Matthew 24:14 says "This good news of the Kingdom will be preached through all the inhabited Earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." Many religions have sent people door-to-door to spread their faith, but Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones who have reached every corner of the globe, so-to-speak.
Before thee 1930s, JW's were called the Bible Students, and they predicted 1914 back from about 1890. That was the year when, as some historians put it, "the world fell apart," the start of the first world war.
I'm sure you will want to argue with this, but it is not the same as when I got haughty in that other thread.
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Post by renji on Jul 30, 2007 22:11:28 GMT -5
lol, youre sure i will want to argue? XD im just trying to continue a discussion here since i had never heard of this 1914 thing before. besides, i need to be provoked in order to really have a fight over something. so i did read it right that its when Satan gets "kicked out" of Heaven. i thought he was supposed to live in Hell, or something >_> im mostly confused about the "Common Era" stuff since i had never heard the term used before. also, there is no year zero on any calendar that i know of. so naturally, i dont really get how the year 1914 can be determined. how was 1 CE determined? is it based off of anything? im also not sure where numbers like 606 years come from in terms of your little equation up there. there must be a reason for that number to be picked but i guess im not seeing why its there. ok, different question. Satan getting tossed out of Heaven... this is a sign of the end times? what would this mean for people on earth? i guess i ask this because it seems like every Christian i ask about the end times have different ideas of what it is, what it means and what will happen, even Christians within the same denomination. so i guess im just asking for your own answer since it appears as if there is no right answer. i do know that everyone having their own ideas of the end times makes it an extremely confusing topic well, since the thread's topic is extra terrestrials, we need an ET-tie in here... is Satan a Martian? yes, i really couldnt come up with anything better...
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